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erniePerson was signed in when posted  16
12-19-2002 03:01 PM ET (US)
Mark: Mark Twain was great!
cleetusPerson was signed in when posted  17
12-19-2002 03:04 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 12-19-2002 03:05 PM
>Come on folks, can't we all set aside our petty differences and unite behind the idea that Ann Coulter is truly and indisputably the most loathsome person on the planet?

Yeah but check out this totally sweet picture of her shooting a BB gun on the back porch http://www.anncoulter.org/images/webimages/gun.jpg . I'm sure when the USMC rolls into Mecca to convert the heathen at swordpoint (after killing their leaders) they'll be led by Ann and her crack brigade of bottle-blonde stiletto-heeled BB-gun-wielding cocktail waitresses.
Stefan JonesPerson was signed in when posted  18
12-19-2002 03:07 PM ET (US)
If Memory Serves, Burns's Jazz series got a lot of flack when it first aired. Mark's complaints sound similar.

What I've seen of the "New York" series was astonishing. Damn, did that city go through several kinds of hell. There are whole great bleeding epochs of racial and ethnic pain buried under that pavement, and I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for the Burns film.

I watched "The Civil War" when it was first aired. Damn long, exhausting, and at times made me feel like I'd been kicked in the stomach. I couldn't bear to watch it again until this summer. But I'm not sorry I watched it either time. I wouldn't have known about Joshua Chamberlin otherwise. Wotta guy.
Mark Frauenfelder  19
12-19-2002 03:10 PM ET (US)
> Yeah but check out this totally sweet picture of her shooting a
> BB gun on the back porch

I want to see Ann dressed like the girls here:
http://normansaunders.com/MnsAdv1.html
http://normansaunders.com/MnsAdv2.html
Patrick Nielsen HaydenPerson was signed in when posted  20
12-19-2002 05:19 PM ET (US)
I quite like The Civil War, Jazz, and some of his shorter films, most notably the first, "Brooklyn Bridge."

Parts off New York drag, but Stefan Jones is right, parts of it are very good.

Burns is certainly earnest. As it happens, I like earnest. And the grave is not our goal.
Mark Frauenfelder  21
12-19-2002 06:04 PM ET (US)
Thanks for your suggestions, everyone.
Pat YorkPerson was signed in when posted  22
12-19-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)
Silly list--it reads like Mr. Whatsisname and the 10 worst dressed. The guy is probably doing it more for the giggle than because he has any particular point of view.

That said, I loved Burn's Civil War, Brooklyn Bridge and particularly his Baseball series. To a reader of those subjects, a more personal, visual take was really wonderful.

I absolutely loathed his Jazz series. It was overinformed by Wynton Marsalis' personal predjudices and inflated the influence of bee-bop while dismissing the importance of west coast sound and anything that didn't come from the U.S. Dumb, annoying as hell, under-researched and an insult to jazz lovers. But the photos were good and you simply can't get enough about Louis Armstrong.
Adam in Poland  23
12-20-2002 05:51 AM ET (US)
Come on, it's funny and scathing and if your sacred cow can't take a knock, you may want to think why that is.

FWIW, I like a number of the people on that list.
cypherpunk  24
12-20-2002 09:38 AM ET (US)
That picture of Anne Coulter with the bb gun makes me feel funny.
BuzzPerson was signed in when posted  25
12-21-2002 04:36 PM ET (US)
Pretty good stuff, unless, of course, you're dishearted when coming across a celeb you admire. Spy's list was usually good, but don't forget Esquire's Dubious Achievement Awards--these came long before these guys.
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