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drbPerson was signed in when posted
10:36 AM ET (US)
yes, we called them slugs while culling, incoming processing
Edited 06-23-2016 10:37 AM
82% RetiredPerson was signed in when posted
10:26 AM ET (US)
I remember the term Slug used to describe a carrier that moved slow.

We used the term "robbing" the box when collected mail from a collection box.
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
08:29 AM ET (US)
/m56256 In 1968, I got asked to have beers to celebrate a guy getting to top step. $5.00 an hour, took 21 years, and he was really happy. Compression brought 21 down to 8 years. Since then, extra steps have been added to the bottom, and it's like 10-11 years to max out. He's the only real red circle guy I ever knew.

/m56258 Small Parcels and Rolls, SPRs, pronounced 'spurs', was an interchangeable term with slugs when I was in the plant about 1970. Used to toss them 20-30 feet working in the 'bag rack', dozens of #2 sacks hanging on metal racks. Fun, and maybe it got in the right sack.
mulligan2Person was signed in when posted
03:33 AM ET (US)
Try Publication 32 for the term SLUG. Informal, but it is there.
Boss BasherPerson was signed in when posted
02:30 AM ET (US)
/m56258 In our locale, Mgt.'s "Dream Team" conjured up a new term for Carriers they did not like: "SLUGS". The only mention of the word Slug that I've known of, was a deleterious term Bosses used for Carriers. Of course, not a single one of those Bosses could or would carry the easiest route in the station, on the easiest day of the year. You should have seen them beam with pride, as all of them began talking about "Slugs", on the workroom floor. They got sexually wet & hard over it.
manu06Person was signed in when posted
10:15 PM ET (US)
I think this was the last red circle carrier.
hiintheskyPerson was signed in when posted
10:04 PM ET (US)
I was hired as clerk in 1979 (still working by the way) and I remember at the time hearing senior clerks talk about Red circle. Yes, it was negotiated to give a higher a step for senior clerks in the first or second contract. Yes, there are no longer clerks/carriers around that originally qualified for RC. Then I heard the reason that we would still see RC in the pay steps was because some unions used that RC pay to pay their local Union President. I'm talking about bigger unions where the President has a office and doesn't work on the floor. Now, before you all jump down my throat - I'm not 100% sure about the above - it's how I remember it.
egarkPerson was signed in when posted
08:29 PM ET (US)
82% retired /m56257 - exactly, to have that much time in 1970 means that today you have 67 years in. Is there any active worker with that much time? People may use it colloquially for other meanings, but that's about it.

Anybody else ever call SPRs "slugs"?
82% RetiredPerson was signed in when posted
08:18 PM ET (US)
It seems the name of things has come full circle. I remember the RC pay rate back in 1976. It was a egark explained. A special rate of pay was set up for clerks and carriers who were at top step when they changed the lime it to to reach it. It was an exclusive club. If you did not get it then you would never get it. I too would be surprise if any were still around. You had to have 20 plus years in back then. That was back in the day when clerks and carriers bargained together. I have no idea if red circle means anything today but would not be surprised if it has a totally different meaning.

/m56246 Let's not forget bump and pig tail.
postalvetPerson was signed in when posted
06:16 PM ET (US)
need to read the rest of it;
"421.522 Red–Circle Amount

The red–circle amount is the dollar portion of an employee’s salary that is in excess of the maximum salary of the grade. An employee continues to receive a red–circle amount as long as he or she is in saved rate status. Note the following:
a.Red–circle amount results from saved rate only. It does not result from protected rate.
b.If an employee who receives a red–circle amount (under section C, Special Rule, Pay System for Employees, covered by the collective bargaining agreement of November 18, 1970) is subsequently promoted and later returned to the former position, the red–circle amount is restored."

what happened is before 1970 it took 20 years to reach top step. when collective bargaining began the time it took to reach top step was reduced to 12 years. it was agreed that the people who had waited 20 years to get to the top step would be rewarded with an extra step which would be called red circle. at this time there are probably very little people left at red circle. the unions use it which is why it still shows on pay scales.
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smithers1Person was signed in when posted
05:09 PM ET (US)
"The red–circle amount is the dollar portion of an employee’s salary that is in excess of the maximum salary of the grade."

The only way I can see it applying to carriers would be if they eliminated T6/Carrier technician positions and used these carriers to fill vacant routes.

Clerks can still get saved rate. I know Level 7 LSM clerks who worked in a plant and their jobs were all excessed to another county because the plant was closed. Some were excessed into Level 6 window/distribution clerk jobs in my city yet they retained Level 7 pay and seniority.
egarkPerson was signed in when posted
04:52 PM ET (US)
Carry On /m56252 - okay.
Carry OnPerson was signed in when posted
04:50 PM ET (US)
So top step PLUS.
egarkPerson was signed in when posted
04:49 PM ET (US)
Carry On /m56249 - yes, but that rate is not step O. It is a rate above step O that you and I will never reach. Note the phrase "in excess of the maximum salary of the grade".
egarkPerson was signed in when posted
04:45 PM ET (US)
Carry On /m56245 - I get your point. Egark's rule: "I heard..." is always wrong. Your original answer was not just stating what you heard, you stated it as a fact: ""Red Circle" refers to carriers at step "o"." Carriers were similarly covered. I posted the APWU chart because I could not find old carrier charts. IMHO words are important because as a former steward/branch officer you learned that if you used the wrong term in a grievance you often lost. As far as "pivot" my office uses that term for taking a piece of another route, even if not on undertime, so technically our use is incorrect. I annoy the bosses by never referring to the split or swing (I started calling them "slices" and it actually seems to be catching on! Dopes) as a "pivot" because I don't want to admit to the possibility of undertime.
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