Terry Letch,
Just saw your post on Cromer, where were you living in Cromer?

I know that Central Avenue, Alfred Road, Garden Street and shops each side of St Peters Church were Bombed.

As an N9r with connections to Cromer it would be nice to know.

Hallo Colin.
   On the subject of water, I think it has been established that the drinking water that is drawn from the Thames for some parts of London has been "used" seven times before it gets there. This is not new, it has been this way for many years.
   That flying bomb was the biggest bang I have ever heard in my life. I missed most of the rockets as I spent much of the rest of the war in Cromer, Norfolk. I believe a rocket fell on the Jewish cemetary in Montagu Road on the south side of Salmons Brook. I wonder what it was about Montagu Road that seemed to upset Hitlet so much?

STEVE - I hope you weren't alluding to me when you stated that some people will accept things as they are and not question them. My point was that London has been using recycled waste water for household use for years and as a matter of fact, some of the waste water in Oz IS already being piped to households for human needs. Most people wouldn't know if they were drinking it or not as it is, as I said before, completely purified, and if the Government hadn't made any announcement about future projects along these lines, you would never have know where your water came from. Let me tell you, when you are dying of thirst, you will drink almost anything that will slake your thirst. And how much muck do you think there is in the sea water that will pass through the desal plants before it emerges for use at the other end? But I do agree it is good that our Governments are exploring other means of ensuring the water supply. A great deal could be done by covering dams so that evaporation in the summer months can be cut down - I think it is one of the ideas being investigated.

TERRY - I think it was the blast from that flying bomb that blew me down the concrete steps of our Anderson shelter where I sustained a badly cut head that my Mother rushed me to Dr. Bannister to dress. She bound my head in a torn piece of clean sheet doused in vinegar, stuck me in a pushchair I had long outgrown and propelled me along the streets to his surgery in Bounces Road. I can remember the bloody things coming over like 'farting furies' in the summer of 1944 but of course, the V2 rockets that followed were worse - not only were they more powerful, but you couldn't hear them coming as they flew at supersonic speeds, thus the air-raid sirens didn't sound so you had no warning of their coming. Wonder we came through it all really when so many others didn't.

Steve Sleap, 6537. The builder's/timber yard in Park Road was originally owned and operated by Fred Palfrey who started out chopping and bundling kindling wood at a yard he owned In the Ride at Ponder' End, then touted it for sale around the streets from his horse and cart He became very successful and bought the site that became Burridges at Bury Street, but, he operated a DIY centre there under his own name, upon Fred's death, his son young freddie leased it to the Burridges. Park Lane yard was leased to Ronnie Newton and Tony Moss, I was one of their suppliers. When those two retired, Ronnie began a horse feed business,but sadly suffered a bad stroke and has been confined to a wheel chair for many years. The last I heard of Tony was he had become so bored in retirement that he had taken up mini-cabbing. They were both married to Witney girls from Town/Monmouth Road

Mad Dave's Missus 6520
I remember the MCC health office at Somerset Road Tottenham. The building was originally the site of Tottenham Grammar School, before they built the magnifient one in white Hart Lane/Creighton Road..The road Somerset was named after the Duchess of Somerset who re-endowed the school in the 16th. century.
One of our celebrated "Old Boys" was a fellow named Harris who became Margaret Thatcher,s Economic Advisor in her Conservative Government and when honoured took the title of, " Lord Harris of High Cross ",

Hi Alan
   The metal gates in your picture of Park Road are where the Edmonton Borough Council building and maintenance yard was. I spent several hours there as an apprentice painter doing signwriting for school boards in the 1950s.
   As for the war memories, does anyone remember the flying bomb that dropped on to the allotments in Montagu Road near Salmons Brook? It would have been one very early morning in August 1944. The Plough and Harrow lost nearly all its windows as did many houses, ours in Granville Avenue included. Fortunately for me, we were in the "Anderson" at the time.

Alan
        The builders yard in Park Road was owned and run by Newton and Moss and next to that was a council yard and then a Cafe owned by Ron Brown then the railway bridge next to that the bus turning circle then MK Electric.

Ivor Coster
                    We Aussies aren’t so ill informed nor ignorant regarding the use of recycled used house water (gray water)and just for your information Ivor, that means the water from the Dunny (toilet) and as I stated before, I for one don’t won’t it. I find it quite disgusting even if it is purified one hundred percent.
We have recently commissioned a reverse osmosis desalination plant with another being built just South of Perth. We also use ground water from the Gnangara mound catchment. We are also soon to drill into a very large ground water reserve just south of Geraldton that is very large indeed at the moment we are doing all kinds of surveys to understand its sustainability and environmental impact and not to forget the Dams we already have.
In the not too distant future we will have to build a pipe line from the far north of the State to supply the Southern half of Australia with water due to the changing weather pattern and the expansion of our population
There are quite a few of us Aussies that don’t want recycled water and as you can see the Government listened and is doing its best not to use recycled water It just goes to show that if you make enough noise the Government will listen unlike some people who just accept things as they are.

Just remember it’s the squeakiest gate that gets the most oil.

Alan,

Behind the metal gates at the side of the railway bridge in Park Road once stood the little cafe that was Ron's Cafe. When I was an apprentice working out of Edmonton exchange in 1970 that is the cafe we frequented for afternoon tea before returning to sign out at the end of the shift. Ron was a short rotund man with a false leg supported by a strap over his shoulder. My recollection is that he ran the cafe with his wife and if they weren't already pensioners they were not far from it. It was quite a few years before I noticed that the cafe had gone as I worked virtually everywhere bar Edmonton after 1971. Of course the bus turning circle on the other side of the bridge where the 144s once terminated and sometimes shorts on other routes too fell into disuse years ago. Last time I was near or by would've been 2005 and then it was fenced off IIRC to prevent access to squatters, boy racers etc.

Brian

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Maureen, I'd like to thank you once again for your WW2 memories, as the second time I read it, I realize how excellent your memories are! Really great stuff.

If you can think of anything else, please post it. You've got a good memory and a talent with explaining how things were.

Bonus ...

Luminariums edition, the Witch Of Edmonton

http://www.luminarium.org/editions/witchofedmonton.htm

DRAMATIS PERSONĘ.

Sir ARTHUR CLARINGTON.
OLD THORNEY, a Gentleman.
CARTER, a rich Yeoman. (There were Carters next door to our house, but rich they were not)
WARBECK, Suitors to Carter's daughters.
SOMERTON,
FRANK, Thorney's Son.
OLD BANKS, a Countryman.
CUDDY BANKS, his Son.
RATCLIFFE, Countryman
HAMLUC, Countryman
Morris-dancers.
SAWGUT, an old Fiddler.
A Dog, a Familiar.
A Spirit.
Countrymen, Justice, Constable, Officers, Serving-men and Maids.

Mother SAWYER, the Witch.
ANN, Ratcliffe's Wife.
SUSAN, Carter's Daughter.
KATHERINE, Carter's Daughter WINNIFRED, Sir Arthur's Maid.

SCENE—The town and neighbourhood of EDMONTON; in the end of the last act,
LONDON.

I found a good Edmonton page!

http://www.yell.com/find/DoFindLocations/lo/uk+London+Edmonton

John Keats spent time learning in Edmonton
In 1810, Keats served an apprenticeship under the surgeon Thomas Hammond in Edmonton. The house was on a site that is now 7 Keats Parade, Church Street. Keats left Edmonton for Guy's Hospital in 1814.

click for more such info.

Google photos Park Road
I'm sure there was a builders yard where the metal gates are.
 http://fyad.org/z715

Park Road does anyone know what the new building is used for.
 http://fyad.org/z714
Alan.

IVOR - We Australians might have been ignorant about recycling water before, but in recent years,after prolonged droughts, it has become the focus of our attention in no uncertain way. Here in South Oz, we are building a big desalination plant to process the seawater in St. Vincent's Gulf and doubling the capacity of one of our major dams. Also, the installation of rainwater tanks has become the norm (we have two at our place) and there are plans to capture the run-off of stormwater when it does rain. We have plenty of the wet stuff lately - it's rained nearly every day for over a week now.
MAUREEN - my memory is stirring re DAVE GOODMAN. I have a recollection he lived in New York State but I am vague about that. We had him over to dinner when he was visiting Oz but the contact has been lost since then. If he is a relative of yours, you might remind him we're still alive and would like to hear from him at some stage.

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Steve,
I thought it was only the Australians that where ignorant and ill informed about the use of recycled water, but it seems not.
That and the recycling of drain water from the roadways plus sea water desalination will have to be the norm if this weather cycle continues, and I don't think it is anything but a normal cycle of evens that has happened many times before in the past.
So just drink up and enjoy your recycled water or put in a nice big rain water tank off the roof of your house, although recycled water would be purer than that and definitely purer than Perth or Adelaide reticulated town water.

Hello again to you all. I, too, remember the orange juice, cod liver oil and malt (which I loved) and the rose hip syrup. I think the Ministry of Food or Health organised the distribution of these things to children. I recall the label had a crown and shield on it - which I think was used a lot at the time to signify it was a Government issue, whatever it was, be it documentary films, identity cards and the like. MAUREEN, I recall going to those sunbathing classes. Perhaps we were half naked together.
Later in life, here in Oz, I continued to worship the sun for a while until I developed the early signs of melanoma (thankfully removed in time). Now I lather on the SPF 30 before venturing out in the summer months and now wear a brimmed hat when in the garden or at the beach.
I remember when attending Tottenham Grammar School there was a plaque near the rugby pitch in memory of the two boys killed by the V2 rocket that fell nearby in the closing period of the war. I also met up with DAVE GOODMAN a while back when he came out here to Oz - is he a relative of yours, Maureen? He was at TGS the same time I was and at the time of his visit here, was living in the United States, but I forget exactly where.