I totally agree with this reply. I am sorry to hear that Wil had the burden of dealing with drugs in his life.

But Wil Hetherington is a symbol of men being jacked around by the system.
His sentence, regardless of his guilt or innocence was entirely wrong.
It is in itself rape by the system. And the entire concept of marital rape is really a radical gender feminist gambit to degrade all men; IT IS A SICK CONCEPT!

And that has got to change or we can take our place with other 2nd and 3rd world countries and stop this pretense of claiming our judicial system is the best in the world because when it comes to men's rights; IT STINKS!
L. Brackett




At 01:36 PM 8/11/2004 -0000, you wrote:
>
< replied-to message removed by QT >

In a message dated 8/11/2004 10:18:12 AM Central Standard Time,
qtopic+17-7GsKRAjfG2qL@quicktopic.com writes:


> And that has got to change or we can take our place with other
> 2nd and 3rd world countries and stop this pretense of claiming
> our judicial system is the best in the world because when it
> comes to men's rights; IT STINKS!
> L. Brackett
>

What do you mean men's rights? ;-) Haven't you heard we men have ALL the rights ;-) lol That is the right to remain silent and anything we say can and will be used against us in a court of law and even in our own homes. I mean, honestly, a woman talking about her bad childhood (Jeesh! How many of us of either gender cannot claim that we also had a bad childhood. Let's see when our mother used to line us up (guilty or not) and beat us with a belt or when my parents expected me - a little boy - to wipe my sister's butt because it was my job or how many other things either myself or my siblings endured as children) So that is a reason for me to take it out on the rest of the nation and society and not help those in need when I hear their cries for help? I think there comes a time when we have to forget the personal and look at the bigger picture.
These feminists have not a clue as to what that really means. If for no other reason, Wil Hetherington's case has opened my eyes as to what women can be truly capable of. I am safer because I know what can happen to me. I even had a close call last year. I could have been a father and didn't realize how close I came to that. Lucky for me "things" weren't working very well that night. And then to find out this woman is a truly bona fide psycho. And she won't give up. Our last conversation (less than a month ago) consisted of her asking, "How do I win your love?" And I replied, "If I had to spend the rest of my life with you I would be miserable, unhappy and depressed." I told her that is not a good situation to bring children into. I told her my parents never loved each other and eventually divorced and how that affected everyone around them and that I would never make that mistake or do that to other people. And this 'wise, professional (school teacher and head of the teacher's union) modern woman who has it together' replied, "Well if you change your mind, I'll always be here" and I said "Goodbye" and we hung up because she was already starting that ridiculous sobbing.

THAT is what Wil Hetherington's case and the other guys already going through living in what I can only describe as a state of anarchy - THAT is what it does for me, at any rate. I can reject this woman and her offer of 'love' because I realize that she is only thinking of herself. She's ready to marry a man like me (who blatantly says he doesn't love her) and bring children into the world in that situation. She would even move here if I asked her to. Give up her position and family and all that she's worked for. Because she's that selfish.

I don't believe that I'm being manipulated by Wil. I have talked to him quite alot and frankly I wish I could do more for him. I wish I had more money to give to him and other guys going through this. I wish I could use words that would sway the unmoved, cruel authorities who control his fate to do MY bidding and release him. I wrote a letter to the parole board and I had to write 3 before I wrote one that was fit to send - lol. This child of Wil's should thank her lucky stars or her God or whomever she gives thanks to that my point of view is in the minority in the NCFM and other equal rights organizations (so far). Most of them (including quite a lot of women) have cooler heads than I do. I tried to be moderate but I have to really try hard to do that. It's like putting on an act.

Well, basically I just wanted to say that Wil's case opened my eyes and possibly keeps me free and possibly saved my life.

Let me pose this question to the group. Those who would donate their time, money, energy to another cause - say awareness of breast cancer. Before they do so, do they make sure that the recipients of their help are truly "worthy" individuals? I daresay many of those women have problems with drugs and alcohol. Oh, that's right, I forgot. When women have problems with drugs and alcohol - that's considered a health issue but when men have problems with drugs and alcohol - that's considered a crime issue. And by the way, I know from whence I speak. One of my female cousins has a problem with crack which resulted in her stealing several thousands of dollars from our family company when she worked for us. To this day she has yet to pay it back and funny thing - none of the women in this family have that on their aggenda to ask her about it either. Hmmm.... That's okay she still comes to the family reunion as if nothing ever happened. Denial, denial, denial. Is there really truly any reason to expend any energy to save such a civilization/culture/society from the fate that awaits it?

I will keep helping Wil even if he manages to smuggle drugs into prison and do them there. I don't make sure a person is "worthy" before I do what I think is the right thing for them. I wish I could say the same for feminists.
Barry Jernigan
Murfreesboro, TN

>This site is an absolute joke.....Not one of you truly >know William Hetherington.

You did not say why you think it is a joke, nor is it of any relevance whether one "truly know"s him or not.

The central question is "rape" how we define it, and what is the reason individuals are punished for it.

The major problem with rape, in the context of marriage, is how is it determine to be rape and what is the purpose of defining it so it can exist in this context.

You need to give your definition of rape and why this definition allows the ability to determine whether it has happened and why society should be holding individuals accountable.

The point, knowing William Hetherington is completely irrelevant, because the question is greater than the individual.

>Well let me tell you some things that you should know. >First of all he is not innocent. Lets see did you know >that he severly abused drugs. My earliest memory of this >was when I was 6 or 7 watching him roll marajuana in front >of me. I remember another instance of coming home from a >shopping trip with my mother to find him sitting on the >kitchen floor completely zoned out, telling us his feet >were computers and he was controlling the world. I >remember waking up to an ambulance taking to the hospital >for overdosing. I remember my dad shaving his hair into a >mohawk. I also remember reaching into the pantry to get >something and finding a bag of hypodermic needles. These >are just a sample of what I saw.

So? You had a drug addict for a dad! (Never mind the only evidence we have for this is your word) Are you claiming because of this he can be guilty of what ever comes to mind to accuse him?



>Please tell me how a man under that kind of influence and >out of his right mind could honestly tell you he did not >commit the acts upon my mother.

Could careless what he said. The system requires the one making the accusation to provide the evidence to support their accusation. If you have only to offer he used drugs in a rape case, you do not have anything to offer, other than the possibility, NOT the probability, nor anything approaching reasonable probability.

To show reasonable probability would require a relationship between drug use and rape. The best any one can offer, drugs impair judgment, but rape requires force and some evidence for the force.


>I saw him try to control her.

How exactly was this effort to control attempted? Why was it only an attempt and not successful? (You did say try)


>I saw him stalk her.

Stalk means what? And would not the stalking be more difficult with a child in tow?

I am beginning to think you have rationalized this issue to come to terms with what was done to your father.


>He did commit the crime in question against my mother and >not only on the occasion he was found guilty for.

So rape was how your parents had sex? This brings us back to the definition of rape and how it exist in marriage.


>He knows it and everyone in the family knows it.

What do they know? If it was common knowledge why is the evidence not so overwhelming, and the question could not be irrefutably answered?

Sadly, the answer is not about knowledge, but what individuals have come to believe without evidence.

If this is not the case provide the evidence.


>Remember there are always two sides to every story.

There are two and more than two possibilities. We know, by evidence to support claims.

Whenever we neglect this in our judgments, we render ourselves blind.


>Now that I am grown with a family of my own, I realize how >important it is to do the right things.

Doing the right thing is not in question, it is the claim someone did the wrong thing. This requires proof.


>And I also realize that when you do something wrong you >need admit it and move on with your life, people will >respect you for your honesty, your family will respect you.

I am a little baffled by this statement, since it implies anyone committing a crime just needs to admit it and everything is forgiven. More importantly, it assumes if everyone believes you are wrong you need to admit it.



>My dad had a chance to admit his mistakes and take a plea >bargain and be set free from jail with some counciling, he >refused.

But this requires he was guilty, but the evidence is lacking.


>He missed out on his childrens lives and grandchildrens >lives because of this.

Could not imagine twenty years in prison not causing this to happen.

Of course, if he had just gone along with the system he could be out, but this requires individuals whom are not guilty, actually committing a crime by lying.

The very fact 95% of ALL felony convictions in this country are the result of plea bargaining is a strong indication our system only works when individuals are tortured to confess.



>I guess I am past the point of feeling sorry for him. I >guess it upsets me to see this "feel sorry for William >Hetherington site"

I do not feel sorry for William Hetherington, the issue is about addressing a system problem, or failure. There are many items in his case which force the question of how a fair trial was done.


>I do agree his sentence was harsh and that is all I can >agree on as far as any of this goes.

Actually, I am of the opinion the only sentence for rape is death, but until the American people demonstrate the ability to critically think for the purpose of justice, prison is the only option.

In your dad's case it is clear justice was not the goal.



>I have had this talk with my dad. I still go and see him >on occasion and talk to him on the phone. I do care for >him don't get me wrong. But I needed to express to you >some of the other side of the story. So please if you want >to help him get out of prison do it for the right reason, >because his sentence was too harsh for the crime, not >because he has manipulated you into believing his >innocence.

I for one doubt your dad, like ALL other adults, is innocent. It is his guilt which is reasonably in question. In fact, there are elements about it which are so inconclusive as to render judgment an injustice

JT

Christal Hetherington wrote :
> This site is an absolute joke.....Not one of you truly
> know William Hetherington. Well let me tell you some
> things that you should know. First of all he is not
> innocent.

The evidence from the photographs that attorney Jeff Feldman found showed she lied through her teeth about being tied up with duct tape on her face. That alone impeaches her entire case. There are many other pieces of evidence showing that Linda Hetherington is a damn liar.

[Big snip of Dad's alleged drug abuse and bad behavior]

I'm well aware he wasn't any angel before he was sent
to prison. Now he's a model prisoner and a straight-A student who earned a diploma in Radiological Emergency Management. He has worked diligently at a case for years that lesser men would have given up on long ago. He was offered a job as a paralegal by James Whalen, an attorney when he was released from prison.

The bottom line is that William Hetherington, for all of
his faults, is not only innocent of the crime he is
accused of, but is quite a remarkable man. This is a
matter of record, not hearsay. The same cannot be said of your mother. I find it a sad testament to the state of our legal system that a useful, productive individual was sacrificed for the sake of a vindictive, parasitic one.

Sorry to take so long in getting this on here. Wil called me a few days ago and requested that I post a reprint of a letter on this message board. I have some kind of head cold and I think it's affected my brain - lol. I almost forgot about my promise to him to print this. He requested that I protect the anonymity of the woman who wrote this letter and I would do that anway. I gave given her a pseudonym and fictitious address and phone number. I am not changing anything in what she wrote. Any mistakes in spelling or grammar are unchanged. The letter follows:

To Whom It May Concern on the Parole Board,

I write this letter in regards to Inmate #186155, Mr. William Hetherington. He is a highly intelligent man who deserves the right to his freedom. He is tentatively employed as a paralegal, upon release. He has 100% support from friends and family now and when he is released. Please read my letter in hopes to release him. I have enclosed my address and phone number in case you have any questions. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Madame X

Madame X
123 Dutch Elm Street
Smalltown, USA
(123) 456-7890

To Whom It May Concern on the Parole Board:

(In Regards to Inmate #186155, Mr. William Hetherington)

My name is Madame X and I am a family friend of Mr. Hetherington's. I currently reside in Smalltown, USA. I am writing this in hopes that you will read this to help let an innocent man be released.

I became acquainted with Mr. Hetherington's family in 1998. I became aware of Mr. Hetherington's situation during the last several years. I have researched many related cases in Michigan on the internet and I do not recollect any other cases being incarcerated for as long as Mr. Hetherington has been. Cases on rape, depending on circumstances, get sentenced for 2-5 years, this man has been imprisoned for over 19 years. I ask why?

In 2001 I needed money and the victim, Linda Hetherington, employed me. I had just had my daughter and need money to move. My employment concisted of babysitting her grandchildren for one week while she went to Florida with a gentleman friend. She had been taking a lot of medication, but she was still coherent and we began to talk about each other and our lives. She went into great details about what happened between her and Mr. Hetherington.

She told me how they were separated. How she began to see another man. Her and the other man (Olaf), decided they would have an open relationship and see other people as well. She decided to try to work things out with Mr. Hetherington and they began to have a concentual relationship again. Little to his knowledge, she was having an affair with Olaf. She was laughing now. She became pregnant with Olaf's baby. Olaf told her she had to get rid of Mr. Hetherington or he wouldn't take care of the baby. She told Olaf she went to Mr. Hetherington's house and he raped her. Olaf made her press charges and William went to prison, by this time she was laughing like she was crazy. She told me how she writes the parole board and saying she fears for her life. She said she felt guilty for what she has done, but she doesn't fear him at all. She was making a mockery of the parole board, for beleiving her farce of a story. This woman's guilt is killing her and the only fear she has is going to hell for lying. I realize now, I should've said something sooner.

Well the years have gone by and every year he sits; waits to be freed. He has paid his debt to society and is rehabilitated. He has been behind bars for far to long. He has a job and family waiting for him. He may have been incarcerated for 19 years, but he is already an established, respected man who needs to go home and be with the ones who love and respect him. Personally I would trust him with mine as well as my daughter's life. For I know in my heart and mind he is not a threat to anyone.

Good lord, why keep him locked up any longer? He lost his mother this year (which broke his heart), why hurt him again by denying him his freedom. His sister is raising his grandchild and he needs to come home and raise that child. Give him the opportunity he was denied for so many years with his own children. Please give him the chance to what he's supposed to do. He's not dangerous, he is an intelligent, kind, gentle and loving person. Please give him the right to prove himself. Any other decision would be wrong. Thank you for your time and compassion.

Sincerely
Madame X

I have some news about William to pass on. Unfortunately
little of it is good this time around.

First, I received a letter from William stating that he had been denied parole. The reasons given are that he refuses to admit guilt and that it's felt that he could be a danger to society.

Wil is more than 50 years old, has numerous health problems
and has had to have surgery to replace a hipjoint. He is also in a level 1 facility which means they consider him a minimal risk. That the parole board could offer lame excuses like these to continue keeping him in prison shows how dysfunctional the criminal justice system has become.

I also found out that he has been moved to Marquette Prison.
Sadly, William was attacked on the bus to Marquette. He
was put with level 6 prisoners to serve as a porter. A
porter is consigned to do various odd jobs such as pass
out meals and pick up garbage and is not in chains,
leg irons, and security boxes like the other prisoners.
Fortunately he managed to fight his way free from his
attackers and was not injured.

Due to this incident he asked to be placed in "lock-up"
for protection. This may lead to another transfer soon,
but I have no information as to where and when.

His current address to anyone who wishes to write to him is :

William Hetherington #186155
1960 U.S. 41 South
Marquette, Michigan 49855

Edited by author 10-15-2004 02:58 AM
For those supporters out there, has anybody wrote the National US Supreme Court?

I'm a first year law student, and I'm pretty sure everybody has the right to appeal until they get the US SUPREME COURT.
it is everybody's consitutional right and it supercedes any state law.... that's a fact.

Constitution can't be denied for any measure by any STATE.



Forget the state court. I believe all rights and neglegence will be exposed by the upper courts. By that time, media gets involved, names are brought out, judges who denied rights to a honorable discharged man. It'll get ugly, and somebody important will listen.

Family and friends need to forget about the state judges, start addressing letters to the govrnor and the white house.

start somewhere and keep marching.

By the time you get exposure, a starving attorney will take the case for not much money, in exchange he gets exposure.

Make a trade, forget retainer fees, make a trade by contract, get creative on the trade services, for future cases or what ever,,,, i could think of 10 ideas already.

When Wil is found innocent, he can take recourse and sue the city... and all kinds of others for denying his rights and being wrongfully imprisoned.

even going after his ex-wife for defamation of character...
look this one up in the books folks.

somebody will probably offer Wil 60 mins. of fame for an interview... or maybe a book.....

put your heads together... exposing an honorable man retired from the service to be denied rights for a woman who was a druggy.

keep it up

-mike
san francisco, ca

> For those supporters out there, has anybody wrote the National US Supreme Court?

Yes, many times. Each time Wil had his application returned because he failed to meet the filing requirements. One of the requirements is that they cannot be filed using a typewriter. But the Michigan Prison System does not allow the prisoners to own computers.


> I'm a first year law student, and I'm pretty sure everybody has the
> right to appeal until they get the US SUPREME COURT.

They may have the right to appeal on paper, but meeting the filing requirements is impossible for a prisoner with limited funds and resources. A fully staffed legal firm could handle it, but we don't have the funds and resources for it.

Assuming the filing requirements are met, the US Supreme Court only hears 1% of the cases put in front of it.

> it is everybody's consitutional right and it supercedes any state law.... that's a fact.

> Constitution can't be denied for any measure by any STATE.

> Forget the state court. I believe all rights and neglegence will be
> exposed by the upper courts.

I used to believe that at one time. Now I don't see any reason to believe why the Federal justice system is any better than the systems of the various states.


> put your heads together... exposing an honorable man retired from the
> service to be denied rights for a woman who was a druggy.

We would like to see that happen. Unfortunately his appeals
in state and federal court have gotten nowhere and the
parole board won't let him out. He's got about 5 more years
to go where they have to release him for good time behavior
and I believe they're going to try and max him out.

Just an update on Wil's new address. Wil gave it
over the phone the other day :

Wil Hetherington
#186155
Hiawatha Correctional Facility
4533 Industrial Park Drive
Kincheloe, MI 49756-0001

Unfortunately the zipcode may not be correct - Wil
wasn't sure. When I tried to verify it with Mapquest
I came up with a different zip. So anybody who is
planning on sending something might want to test
the waters with a postcard first.

Wil also said that the MDOC Warden at the Jackson
Correctional Facility did an 'audit' of Wil's case
and is now trying to get his maximum release date
moved up. He has written the 7th Circuit Court judge
in Flint, MI calculating his 'good time' credits from
the present day backward instead of the sentencing
date forward as he is supposed to. He also said that
the only way this could legally be done is to have
his case declared invalid. However the MDOC (Michigan
Dept. of Corrections) has gotten away with violating
its own rules before; it looks like it's going to try
and do it again.

It was just confirmed to me that the correct zip code
is 49786-0001.

As a Reply to this letter being posted...
>>>>>

>To Whom It May Concern on the Parole Board:

(In Regards to Inmate #186155, Mr. William Hetherington)

My name is Madame X and I am a family friend of Mr. Hetherington's. I currently reside in Smalltown, USA. I am writing this in hopes that you will read this to help let an innocent man be released.

I became acquainted with Mr. Hetherington's family in 1998. I became aware of Mr. Hetherington's situation during the last several years. I have researched many related cases in Michigan on the internet and I do not recollect any other cases being incarcerated for as long as Mr. Hetherington has been. Cases on rape, depending on circumstances, get sentenced for 2-5 years, this man has been imprisoned for over 19 years. I ask why?

In 2001 I needed money and the victim, Linda Hetherington, employed me. I had just had my daughter and need money to move. My employment concisted of babysitting her grandchildren for one week while she went to Florida with a gentleman friend. She had been taking a lot of medication, but she was still coherent and we began to talk about each other and our lives. She went into great details about what happened between her and Mr. Hetherington.

She told me how they were separated. How she began to see another man. Her and the other man (Olaf), decided they would have an open relationship and see other people as well. She decided to try to work things out with Mr. Hetherington and they began to have a concentual relationship again. Little to his knowledge, she was having an affair with Olaf. She was laughing now. She became pregnant with Olaf's baby. Olaf told her she had to get rid of Mr. Hetherington or he wouldn't take care of the baby. She told Olaf she went to Mr. Hetherington's house and he raped her. Olaf made her press charges and William went to prison, by this time she was laughing like she was crazy. She told me how she writes the parole board and saying she fears for her life. She said she felt guilty for what she has done, but she doesn't fear him at all. She was making a mockery of the parole board, for beleiving her farce of a story. This woman's guilt is killing her and the only fear she has is going to hell for lying. I realize now, I should've said something sooner.

Well the years have gone by and every year he sits; waits to be freed. He has paid his debt to society and is rehabilitated. He has been behind bars for far to long. He has a job and family waiting for him. He may have been incarcerated for 19 years, but he is already an established, respected man who needs to go home and be with the ones who love and respect him. Personally I would trust him with mine as well as my daughter's life. For I know in my heart and mind he is not a threat to anyone.

Good lord, why keep him locked up any longer? He lost his mother this year (which broke his heart), why hurt him again by denying him his freedom. His sister is raising his grandchild and he needs to come home and raise that child. Give him the opportunity he was denied for so many years with his own children. Please give him the chance to what he's supposed to do. He's not dangerous, he is an intelligent, kind, gentle and loving person. Please give him the right to prove himself. Any other decision would be wrong. Thank you for your time and compassion.

Sincerely
Madame X


My name is Michelle. I have posted here once before. I am Will's youngest daughter. For any of you non believers who questioned my sister's post here earlier. Yes, it was Christal and Yes, I am Michelle. Ask my dad. Ask me. I don't care, whatever it takes to get it through your head that we ARE his real children protesting this site.(I'll put my money where my mouth is here because I see my drivers lisence every day.) When I came to this site and read this letter I was sickened. I understand your reasons for being here to support my father, but when people send letters like this to the parole board it only hurts him. I know who sent this letter because I was there with her the entire time she was at my mothers house. I was around her the entire time she was around my mother and believe me my Mom NEVER said any of those words. I'm not here to say you're wrong in believing my father is innocent. I will never say either of my parents are innocent for the crimes they commited against each other, because they are NOT. But I simply cannot believe you would even consider posting such trash. When people lie it only makes things worse. I'm sure my father can tell you that. I would love to see my fater free and able to enjoy what time he has left in life. I would love to hug him outside of prision walls again, but these things are never going to happen when people like "madame x" (who only briefly came into my family because my aunt bestowed some welfare upon her) tell flat out lies. We treated this woman well when she sat on her ass at my house watching tv as I did her job for her while her child screamed non stop. Now I am stuck in the middle of this case and I always will be. To all of the people out there in this world that think warping the truth or just bluntly fibbing altogether will help Mr. William J Hetherington get out of prision...You are insane! and you need more help than my crazy parents do.

I am asking you please take that letter down. Again, if you don't believe who I am...Get ahold of me. My e mail address is misshetherington@aol.com. I'll tell you whatever you want to know to prove to you who I am and how these things hurt mine and my sisters. I will tell you how my dad likes his hair cut, or how he rolls his shirt sleeves, or the things I learned while sitting in a prison visiting room from prisioner 186155. Whatever it takes. And if any of you talk to my dad...tell him Michelle said hi because he cannot call me. I don't have a phone at my house and I can't drive 8 hours to see him. (and he'll tell you I'm a brat and that I don't write him letters) but tell him I said hi and that I got to read that letter from .... I'll call her Miss M. and that I don't approve of him even allowing it to be sent to the parole board because it is such a joke.

Thanks again for your time

Michelle Lynn Hetherington

P.S. The picture of me on my fathers lap is lovely. I have an 8x10 copy of my own. But To tell you the truth this picture has been posted for a very long time. In fact longer than I have been over the age of 18. Now, it is my understanding that you have to have pariental consent or consent from the people in the picture to post it. I know my mother never gave you permission and at this time in my life I would prefer you to take it down. Please tell me who I need to get into contact with to get this removed. I highly dissaprove of my picture being on the free will site for the NCFM. I wrote a letter once a couple months ago and never got a reply. I will take legal action if I have to. I just don't want my face plastered here anymore.


Thank you,
Michelle Lynn Hetherington
MissHetherington@aol.com

Anyone is free to write the parole board.

Wil Hetherington himself asked that the letter be posted here.

If you seek legal action - seek it against him. Or contact that woman and have her retract her statement. Good luck.

Yeah I understand my dad wanted it posted, but honestly... He's a desperate man and words *lies* like that feed into this lie he has manifested in his mind. It's just a horrible thing to see such slander posted.

Found this site while doing research for an academic project.

I cannot but wonder "what is the truth?"

Even if the accusations of drug use and such and such are true, a person should have all their constitional rights granted to them. This is the fundamental issue of which I am most concerned about.

When would Mr. Hetherington get out of prison under current circumstances?

Yeah interesting in reference to drugs. A man in California killed 2 drug dealers and the prosecution was very adamant about giving him the death sentence. See they were female drug dealers. I guess there really is a difference in our justice system. Of course when females can run over their husbands and drown their children in the bathtub and NOT receive the death penalty even in such a hard-nose state as Texas - we know exactly where we as men stand in today's feminazi police state. Is there really any reason for any of us to risk our very lives for such thankless ingrates? I don't think so.

"Gonna lay down my sword and shield down by the riverside, down by the riverside, down by the riverside. Gonna lay down my sword and shield down by the riverside. Ain't gonna study war no more!"

Time for men to practice mass civil disobedience in my strong opinion.