Larry - no, the list was not mine. Anyone can do a list, and opinions vary as much as looks. I agree that the Eastern (Russian) Front is broadly misunderstood and under-appreciated by American (and even Western Euorpean) historians and students of the war. However, since there were no "embedded media" on the Russian Front it makes information for those unable to read German or Russian (I used to read Russian fairly well) very difficult to gather and evaluate. The whole Russian Front made Normandy possible, because few of us think that the landings could have been successful if the Germans were not "distracted" in Russia! The "lists" represent what people think,and are meant to generate interest and, hopefully, educate - botht he person who created the list and those who read and opine with respect to it.

Both you guys are right. I mean look at all the movies of Normandy and western Europe such as Saving Private Ryan. TV has a great influence on just about anything. I have never seen a movie about Russia and Stalingrad.

Hitler's greatest mistake was fighting a two-front war. He believed if Russia fell Britain would be forced to surrender but fighting two countries and then another strong country.

Edited by author 07-01-2003 05:31 PM
Alex,let me recomend several excellent films to you about the eastern front."Tavisota" or "Winter War",about the Russo-Finnish War of 1939-40. It's in Finnish but subtitled in English. There is another German production called "Stalingrad" which is pretty good too. My personal favorite is "Cross of Iron" about the Russian Front which is very good. It's a Sam Peckenpah film that came out in the 70's and wears very well as for as film special effects when compared to more recent films such as "Saving Private Ryan" and "A Band of Brothers"(a personal favorite).

You don't have pearl harbor on the list. I was wondering why.

peral harber is not on this list because it wasnt a war it was a sneak attack it wasnt a back and fourth thing so thats why!!

Edited by author 11-07-2003 03:02 PM
Dear, dear Babyluda404 I was wondering why you spell everything incorrectlly?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

i feel you have to catagorise these decisice battles in accordance of time, if one battle were to end differently that could effect wether or not the other battles would even happen, wether it eould be at the same magnitude, man power, technology, casualties, or it may determine if that other particular battle even happens at all! now with my suggestion i feel that the fall of france would have had not a big chance of changing its future even if it had another chance, they were not prepared, in any way shape or form. however if hitler left africa alone i feel that the european battles would have a much more different result in favor of the germans. i would rate the battle of britain at the number one position with this accomplished and entire 5 million man armed force would have fought a russian front instead of the actual 2.5 million. stalingrade second which would have alowwed the germans to extract any amount of oil the germans needed which would bring an end to the true battle of the germans...the lack of gas. with these...i have to go the bell rang.

hey its me again, i continue my list, i was at battle of britain in first place, this was an unusual battle because this single battle alone could have determined if we would be speaking english today. the switch of military targets, to bombing military targets such as london and other cities, had given britain the time they needed to rebuild an airforce and army when they were on the breek of destruction. 2 i place stalingrade, 3rd d-day, battle of the buldge, and last but not least midway.

I know how ya feel there Bud! As a matter of fact i'm at school right now.

LOL

Fanatic and OsamaHater- another nice disucssion.

Fanatic, you have to keep in mind that size and decisiveness are different. There were often millions involved in eastern front battles, but they were not decisive. Stalingrad certainly was, on the other hand. And while it was a much smaller battle in terms of numbers engaged, what about Guadalcanal as decisive! Yet in terms of the numbers of killed, wounded or engaged, it was not even a skirmish compared to many German-Russian battles.

ummm...were u talkin bout stalingrad not being a improtant battle? cuz i'm a lil confused, if u did say that...ur dead wrong.

I think that was what he was talking about.