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Steve, Adina

Currently ThreadNeedle is just the immediate levels of a trackback. Pulling in their associated comments might be too much, but it is a good idea. For this to work we need to be able to access the comments for a particular thread without having to scrape the HTML. We probably could use MT's code, but a better approach would be to have comment's perma=linked, and then return comment links with the RSS associated with each person's post.

It's a start, and what we have now requires little or no work on the part of the person having the conversation, which is what I was hoping for. Still, there is a requirement of TB support.

Adina, agree with your assessment on topic and threadneedle. One is subject, which can have many conversations; the latter is a conversation, which could range over many subjects (usually only one, though).

Steve suggested that I crosspost some thoughts about the differences between the the conversational model (ThreadNeedle) and the topic-based model being discussed in RidiculouslyEasyGroupForming Networks.

They are both good, they aren't the same, and they have different strengths and weaknesses.

Threadneedle is better for aggregating a human conversation, whose topic meanders under a named thread.

Topics are great for aggregate blogs that assemble posts about city events, or hiking trails or other specific subject.

A topic-focused blog won't get you a human conversation (that would be ai-complete). A human conversation won't get you a subject-organized index (not without editing after the fact).

The original post and some more thoughts on the topic are here.

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Reasonable concern; a tool that takes a savvy person an hour to install probably won't get critical mass adoption yet.

The LazyWeb seems to be working pretty well, though.

* Nice plug-ins get integrated into MovableType, Radio, and other tools.
* Hosted services help those who want less complicated software they don't have to install.
* Bookmarklets provide one-click access to blog features.

If ThreadNeedle works, even as a demo for the cogniscenti, the LazyWeb will move the project forward.

"With enough eyes, all features are shallow" -- Clay Shirky

Adina, I agree that something that approximates real-world social networks, in that a disrupter can be ignored by the group who adhere to their conventions, is useful.

But that's not the problem I see here. My concern is that someone who'd ordinarily be welcomed into the conversation can break the thread by not adopting the technology. Even people responding to her who use the technology can't repair the thread -- every link is important. So in a situation like this, I think it's essential that the technology be extremely easy to adopt for the non-technical person.

Shelley, does the blogthread engine capture only trackback entries or can it also be configured to pick up comments?

Could a comments engine be modified to support thread discovery also?

- Adina

Steve, I think this may be a feature, not a bug. If a post in a thread is pathological (trolls, flames), it stops propogating. Threads die when participants stop participating.

Individual-driven moderation is a core difference between blogconversation and usenet.

This may have an opposite result from usenet anarchy. Usenet's openness makes conversations vulnerable to its most aggressive and crazy members. Blognet's decentralized control may make conversations more controlled, but more closed, because it's easy to ostracize pathological posts, or posts expressing strong differences of opinion.

More like village, for better and worse.

I haven't yet read all the way through the posts on Shelley's proposed architecture to understand exactly how this would work.