I found yesterday's discussion extremely interesting. I didn't get a chance to read the text before I came to class but I was very quick to read it when I got home. What I thought was interesting was on page 343 when Messner talks about the new man " he is a whil, college-educated professional who is a highly involved and nurturing father, "in touch with" and expressive of his feelings, and egailtarian in his dealings with women." Now is this what he thinks is the ultimate man? A man's man? I took it as "yes". So here is my thought? Isn't this what women want in a man too, to pretty much be perfect. Well how come we haven't found it?? :)